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I do also think that veganism --- and its potential precursor, vegetarianism, --- are broader values that speak to the human animal across divides despite superficial alignments. So itś a good idea to encourage this, definitely Wayne . Is it possible that the end is the means? I mean you were disappointed a while back in the "failure of the vegan movement" but I think itś more than a movement and has effect differently and in unforeseen, more animal and personal outcomes.

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