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Thanks for this very thoughtful comment. I love the idea of harnessing the stories of ranchers who've "switched" at county fairs. Have you reached out to PCRM or other groups about that? Renee Sonnen-King's Rancher Advocacy Program may also be interested.

And agree about the infighting. Gotta stop that if we're going to succeed, together. (Across movements, too!)

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Thanks Wanye for the reply. To be honest I have not reached out to PCRM (yet) and the county fair idea hit me as I was writing my comment. Renee's work is what made me think of it. I love that you tossed the ball back at me. I suppose my intention was to plant a seed so those in closer proximity and with a better understanding would be (also) inclined to delve into those proposals. Any medical doctors read/listen to this podcast?.. Any ex-ranchers, ranch hands, or ex-4H members visiting this domain? I will reach out, though it will basically be from (what I feel is) a somewhat uninformed laymen's perspective, especially when it comes to the medical industry.

I would like to continue to implore all of us (especially the academics amongst us) to help create tangible and comprehensive models of a humane and ecological world. I feel the lack of imagination and the fear of the unknown is a huge part of the reason we are met with such venom and distain within our society.

On a side note, but perhaps it relates: With maybe the exception of steak (in the USA at least) people are really only savoring the sauces. It's funny to watch their faces drop when pointing that out.

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