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Josh Baldwin's avatar

Thank you for this post. I had to sleep on it to figure out my thoughts.

While I do ultimately agree with you that the goal is total liberation based on compassion and cooperation instead of veganism, talking in such terms feels more abstract. As a casual observer, reading this would give me no actionable items where as promoting veganism does give one an action item, namely, consume no animals. Veganism is a starting point towards the greater goal.

There are people like Tobias Leenaert taking the idea of baby steps even farther to generate even more results by promoting ideas like Meatless Monday. It is easier to convince a large number of people to reduce than it is to convince people to go vegan which is easier than getting people accept and create action around total liberation.

Germany is seeing a reduction in meat consumption not because of vegans or vegetarians (even though those numbers have gone up) but because of flexitarians. As much as I hate the idea of these morally half-ass people driving change, they are. And their change in consumption will change their attitudes towards animals because they have to do less mental gymnastics around eating animals.

On the opposite side, I enjoy listening to the Cranky Vegan on YouTube. However, he tends to believe we cannot have animal liberation without replacing capitalism since capitalism is fundamentally about exploitation. Going from "go vegan" to "also, dismantle capitalism otherwise total liberation won't happen" is a massive step that for all practical purposes is worthless. It is too great and impractical of an ask for people.

The actions we can take today will help shape our ideas and views for tomorrow. So while I like your thinking and agree with you on needing institutions based on compassion and cooperation, we need steps to take to bridge us from where we are now as a society to where we want to be. One of those steps is veganism. Granted, in your defense your post was not meant to be the theory of change bridging everything together.

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J Stone's avatar

You are what you eat, and if you eat the poison stolen dead flesh of another species then you are what you eat red dye, hormones tons of poison chemicals from down cows etc. You can never turn factory farm animals into a machine it is against nature and the results are America having more mutated, fat, unhealthy people on the planet then elsewhere. We must evolve from the dark ages and remove millions of poison chemicals from the soil or we parish and leave sickness and zero behind. Take a look at humans from 50 years ago we were tall and thin look as humans today need I say more this is happening from eating sick chemicals induced unnatural farmed once beings. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT on your way out.

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