They want $1 million+. Lara Trump already offered that amount. It's still possible, but as a grassroots network, we don't have that sort of money. However, the attention we're garnering could inspire other people (like Lara) to step up!
There's a chance that various animal organizations would be willing to chip in to that amount. And I hope any offers are made with the condition that they stop future breeding and research
Such a difficult choice as paying them would probably just fund more of their work in future and almost seems counterintuitive to reward their program - wouldn’t really
shift the paradigm -
having said all that saving the dogs is priority. Strange they rejected the payment offered to them what is that about - would be good to get an official statement from them as to why. Could demonstrate their carelessness and ruthlessness even more as they could no longer argue that it’s about loss of profits.
If they're so spiteful they're refusing even very reasonable offers to buy the dogs, that's one more quite powerful element in the storytelling and framing of this grotesque cruelty. Some people likely hate how the dogs are being mistreated, but have a strong default toward property rights. The idea of entering the facility, even very peacefully, and leaving with the dogs might bother them. If it's more widely known that the people trying to free these dogs have been trying to bargain with their abuser, including offering payments well above the dogs' likely value as lab equipment, the abuser will look less and less reasonable.
It might just be about the money. Each dog is supposedly worth up to $3,000, which amounts to $6 million. But they haven’t even made a counter-offer to the $1 million offer, which would have shown some good faith.
A million dollars is still quite a lot of money to most people. If they didn't even respond to a good faith offer, starting at one million, it makes them look callous, unreasonable, and greedy, which I'm sure they are. We don't need to negotiate against ourselves. "Generous donors offered one million dollars, if they would release the dogs for adoption, and they didn't even respond" sounds pretty persuasive to me. Let them come out and say "But, actually, every dog is worth ____". They'll look even more callous and greedy. If it's truly necessary later, to raise the ask, i'm sure people would step forward.
Would it be possible to go with 3 proposals; 3 teams of people to focus on where their strengths might be? Also I'm from Canada. What can we do to help? I also know of people who are interested in helping from fostering to adopting when the time comes.
Deeply inspired by this, Wayne. All three approaches are powerful, imaginative, and necessary. That said, Approach #1, culture and storytelling, feels especially electric.
This is where movements tip.
We may not be standing in front of Tony Evers with a literal magic wand, but we do have something just as potent: narrative, connection, and consciousness. Maybe we all grab a wand or two ourselves, even the playful, snow globe kind, because this shift is cultural as much as political.
To paraphrase Yogi Berra, “Ninety percent of creating the future is half mental.” And whether we call it mind power or dialectics, the truth is the same: each approach amplifies the others. Culture fuels pressure. Pressure drives policy. Policy opens the door for mass action.
They are not separate. They are multipliers.
I have already reached out to Democracy Now!, lifting up Steven Donziger’s strong support for you Wayne and the movement, including on UnchainedTV. I will also mobilize my ROAR newsletter of nearly 2,000 people and my Substack, Awe-gasm (nancykogel.substack.com)
And one more thing. We are often just one degree of separation from influence. A friend, a relative, a connection. I have already heard of someone linked to the Ridglan Farms owner.
That is how culture shifts. Person by person, story by story, until it becomes undeniable.
How about a fundraising effort directed at celebrities to raise the money to purchase the dogs? You have a $1,000,000 pledge. How much more do they want, and will buying the dogs end the breeding?
Wayne, you and your lovely wife Rose are beyond outstanding! You’re an inspiration for a 68 year old man who got brutalized at the hands of sheriff’s deputies on April 18th.
Because of you two, I’m taking my strategy to the pinnacle! I’ve been advocating for nonhumans upward of 35 yrs. Now I’m ready for whatever the world throws at me. Bring it on Dane County. I have nothing to lose.
We have all waited patiently for change. Politicians, law enforcement and the criminal abusers themselves have instructed us to go through the proper channels to alleviate nonhuman exploitation. They lied and laughed behind our backs. They gave us no choice. Now it’s in our hands. We really ought to thank them for doing that. Now we can break the law to make the law!
I’m with you, Jeffery. I’m also retired and I’ve raised my family, enjoyed a rewarding career, and accumulated a bigger nest egg than I’ll ever need, and I feel that I have nothing to lose.
It’s too bad Wayne and Dean can’t be involved, but I’m all for going back and trying to get more dogs out. Maybe we can gather enough people, including those with the requisite skills (like breaching fences and doors) to make it happen.
I encourage anyone who’s even a few people removed from a celebrity to get on this!! To any of my readers in LA who see this + who work with big names, WE NEED YOUR NETWORK!!
I have been calling Wisconsin representatives and will also start calling my local representatives. I will also try to get my local paper to write something about it.
It would also be great to get more celebrities involved, such as Joaquin Phoenix, Kevin Bacon, Leonardo DiCaprio, possibly Bindi or Robert Irwin. Maybe one of them would sponsor a billboard or be at an event.
Laurie - could you write out here, and I will forward on to many, exactly what you say when you call I assume Madison - who do you ask to speak with, and what exactly do you say? Can you please write this out, for many of us to call - and I will forward on. What we say needs credibility, insight, and authority - I also heard we should ask that the sheriff be investigated for his violence, versus the protestors ! Or Wayne ---- please write something here to pass on to other that they say when they call? Cheers!
I've read elsewhere that they sell these dogs for up to three thousand dollars.. If you half that it's still three million for two thousand dogs.. my guess is that they will deal when the deadline approaches, but it's a huge fundraising effort..
Have you considered buying the dogs? We could surely raise the money to do this. Happy to lead this effort. Get in touch.
They want $1 million+. Lara Trump already offered that amount. It's still possible, but as a grassroots network, we don't have that sort of money. However, the attention we're garnering could inspire other people (like Lara) to step up!
There's a chance that various animal organizations would be willing to chip in to that amount. And I hope any offers are made with the condition that they stop future breeding and research
Such a difficult choice as paying them would probably just fund more of their work in future and almost seems counterintuitive to reward their program - wouldn’t really
shift the paradigm -
having said all that saving the dogs is priority. Strange they rejected the payment offered to them what is that about - would be good to get an official statement from them as to why. Could demonstrate their carelessness and ruthlessness even more as they could no longer argue that it’s about loss of profits.
If they're so spiteful they're refusing even very reasonable offers to buy the dogs, that's one more quite powerful element in the storytelling and framing of this grotesque cruelty. Some people likely hate how the dogs are being mistreated, but have a strong default toward property rights. The idea of entering the facility, even very peacefully, and leaving with the dogs might bother them. If it's more widely known that the people trying to free these dogs have been trying to bargain with their abuser, including offering payments well above the dogs' likely value as lab equipment, the abuser will look less and less reasonable.
It might just be about the money. Each dog is supposedly worth up to $3,000, which amounts to $6 million. But they haven’t even made a counter-offer to the $1 million offer, which would have shown some good faith.
A million dollars is still quite a lot of money to most people. If they didn't even respond to a good faith offer, starting at one million, it makes them look callous, unreasonable, and greedy, which I'm sure they are. We don't need to negotiate against ourselves. "Generous donors offered one million dollars, if they would release the dogs for adoption, and they didn't even respond" sounds pretty persuasive to me. Let them come out and say "But, actually, every dog is worth ____". They'll look even more callous and greedy. If it's truly necessary later, to raise the ask, i'm sure people would step forward.
Crowdfund by all means
Cruel to put their homes out of reach
Hi Wayne,
Would it be possible to go with 3 proposals; 3 teams of people to focus on where their strengths might be? Also I'm from Canada. What can we do to help? I also know of people who are interested in helping from fostering to adopting when the time comes.
Please let us know how we can help.
Ridglan release the hounds!!
Deeply inspired by this, Wayne. All three approaches are powerful, imaginative, and necessary. That said, Approach #1, culture and storytelling, feels especially electric.
This is where movements tip.
We may not be standing in front of Tony Evers with a literal magic wand, but we do have something just as potent: narrative, connection, and consciousness. Maybe we all grab a wand or two ourselves, even the playful, snow globe kind, because this shift is cultural as much as political.
To paraphrase Yogi Berra, “Ninety percent of creating the future is half mental.” And whether we call it mind power or dialectics, the truth is the same: each approach amplifies the others. Culture fuels pressure. Pressure drives policy. Policy opens the door for mass action.
They are not separate. They are multipliers.
I have already reached out to Democracy Now!, lifting up Steven Donziger’s strong support for you Wayne and the movement, including on UnchainedTV. I will also mobilize my ROAR newsletter of nearly 2,000 people and my Substack, Awe-gasm (nancykogel.substack.com)
And one more thing. We are often just one degree of separation from influence. A friend, a relative, a connection. I have already heard of someone linked to the Ridglan Farms owner.
That is how culture shifts. Person by person, story by story, until it becomes undeniable.
Definitely. The animals themselves were factory farmed for mass use but their individual lives are coming through.
All of these 3 options please! So we can shut them all down!
Ya'll ever thought about running a diversion while others are getting in??
Are these options really mutually exclusive?
And what is the actual decision-making protocol? Is there a membership that votes, or a board, or...?
How about a fundraising effort directed at celebrities to raise the money to purchase the dogs? You have a $1,000,000 pledge. How much more do they want, and will buying the dogs end the breeding?
They have already been offered one million dollars and turned it down
How much do they want?
It’s not a matter of money for them. Even if we did buy all the dogs, they would just pocket that money and breed more puppies 😔
Love the idea of a poll. Bigger, better, braver rescue. They can't stop us forever.
Wayne, you and your lovely wife Rose are beyond outstanding! You’re an inspiration for a 68 year old man who got brutalized at the hands of sheriff’s deputies on April 18th.
Because of you two, I’m taking my strategy to the pinnacle! I’ve been advocating for nonhumans upward of 35 yrs. Now I’m ready for whatever the world throws at me. Bring it on Dane County. I have nothing to lose.
We have all waited patiently for change. Politicians, law enforcement and the criminal abusers themselves have instructed us to go through the proper channels to alleviate nonhuman exploitation. They lied and laughed behind our backs. They gave us no choice. Now it’s in our hands. We really ought to thank them for doing that. Now we can break the law to make the law!
I’m with you, Jeffery. I’m also retired and I’ve raised my family, enjoyed a rewarding career, and accumulated a bigger nest egg than I’ll ever need, and I feel that I have nothing to lose.
It’s too bad Wayne and Dean can’t be involved, but I’m all for going back and trying to get more dogs out. Maybe we can gather enough people, including those with the requisite skills (like breaching fences and doors) to make it happen.
I like proposal 2 the best. This should work! Yahoo.
Proposal 3 is what I like
I encourage anyone who’s even a few people removed from a celebrity to get on this!! To any of my readers in LA who see this + who work with big names, WE NEED YOUR NETWORK!!
I agree. We do need some big names on this. Also people with connections that can affect the legal system.
Remaining silent about when and what you are doing.
Approach four: all of the above
Hi Wayne, I’m interested in adopting one.
As far as the options, I say we do all three.
I have been calling Wisconsin representatives and will also start calling my local representatives. I will also try to get my local paper to write something about it.
It would also be great to get more celebrities involved, such as Joaquin Phoenix, Kevin Bacon, Leonardo DiCaprio, possibly Bindi or Robert Irwin. Maybe one of them would sponsor a billboard or be at an event.
Laurie - could you write out here, and I will forward on to many, exactly what you say when you call I assume Madison - who do you ask to speak with, and what exactly do you say? Can you please write this out, for many of us to call - and I will forward on. What we say needs credibility, insight, and authority - I also heard we should ask that the sheriff be investigated for his violence, versus the protestors ! Or Wayne ---- please write something here to pass on to other that they say when they call? Cheers!
And - who do you ask for - for those in different states - who do they ask to speak with, and is it the sheriffs office you call?
I've read elsewhere that they sell these dogs for up to three thousand dollars.. If you half that it's still three million for two thousand dogs.. my guess is that they will deal when the deadline approaches, but it's a huge fundraising effort..
I know this is not an ideal scenario, but render unto Caesar and all that... How many people would be prepared to buy one of these dogs?