I agree. In every area of life, the capacity for compassion - founded on the capacity for empathy - is being damaged and destroyed. "I don't care" - words often signifying inner death. A good person feels when they see or hear of another hurt. A good person also need to explore, discover, including difficult facts, difficult truths - like about factory farming, like about the dangerous injections, like about ever so much. A good person, in other words, chooses to be as alive as possible.
“Dangerous injections” certainly does not fall into the category of the other things you listed. Just so you know, vaccines and orthopedics are the only thing Western medicine is doing right. Couldn’t pass up the opportunity to educate you. I hope you capitalize on it.
I hear what you are saying. I have a sense of where you are coming from. I have masses of evidence to the contrary. However I highly doubt you are open to looking at it.
Not credible evidence. Of course they’re not perfect. Do you know that the first polio vaccine killed 400,000 people but we have almost eradicated it and should see that dynamic is sacrifice for the greater good on their part?
Do you know one of the side effects of the mumps?
Dying of the fucking mumps.
There is no FDA approved vaccine in used in the United States today that does not help more people than it hurts. When forced into the position of a gambler, always play with house money.
Your optimism is through the roof. Every time we gather at different conferences I am encouraged too. The judges can't be morally wrong too many times.
You don't need to ask yourself "what's in their hearts?" (the animal-industry plaintiffs, the prosecutors, the juries, the judges, the so-called law enforcers).
You don't even need to ask "what's in their heads?".
You only need to ask "what's in their guts?". - Answer: dead animals.
Their gut microbiomes are doing their talking and acting for them. They consider themselves "the public". They "know" the public interest. 😁
Is there any doubt if they were vegan justice would be swift and assured?
Do you think you can impose it nutritional parameters on others is vain, ridiculous and disingenuous. I realize our current toxic from input to product model is killing life on the planet, but that’s not relevant to 400,000 years of omnivorous behavior. Sit down and be quiet
It's not a "nutritional parameter" it's a practical manifestation of sentientism. ( - but it happens to be healthy too.) No need to live in the past...
To qualify my statement, the conditions of the poultry production facility these people were protesting should not be allowed legally and they certainly would not be implemented by anyone with ethical life tenants or sense of morality.
How interesting that you brought up the topic. Carbohydrates especially complex ones are not a healthy part of a proper diet. In Evolutionary terms, they were only consumed in autumn, by handful amounts. Being 100% simple carbohydrates.
Animal fats are essential to the human body. So our green vegetables and a much smaller amount of fruit.
You should be far more concerned about GMO’s and their ancillary accoutrements
I'll close with the following opinion: Nutrition is pseudoscience, but if you want the latest greatest medical/health findings turn to PCRM and their podcast: https://www.pcrm.org/podcast .
I've been vegan for over 30 years now. Works for me...
And I haven’t even addressed the pragmatism of the issue. The average American doesn’t know jack shit about nutrition and healthy eating habits as is. To advocate them switching to a vegan lifestyle is morally bankrupt.
At the end there, it’s not “if” it’s WHEN! It WILL happen. The movement continues to grow, you and your friends have a huge impact on this community. Great changes are yet to come! Thank you guys so much for all you do and let’s continue fighting for these animals!
How insane this is,how bloody infuriating it is to show kindness and help the suffering but get found guilty of doing wrong !! You reap what you sow , at the right time !
You are absolutely correct about the war on compassion Wayne. There is no greater compassion than the sort that is given to beings who can never repay us, except by living their lives in peace. There is no greater immorality than seeking profit from cruelty, torture and murder. Animal rights activists stand on high moral ground while corrupt politicians, prosecutors, judges and other profiteers are floundering in their own muck and mayhem. We are nonviolent. We are simply unstoppable. Resistance makes us stronger and more determined. Physically separating us solidifies our bonds. Justice within the court systems may be dwindling . But it’s alive and well in our hearts and minds.
It's so frustrating and infuriating to see the way our elected officials (including judges) manipulate the system for corporate interests. Having little faith in the men/political leaders in America, I've taken matters into my own hands. I've created an ecological reserve where methods of regenerative agriculture are used to improve the health and well-being of keystone organisms, thereby providing a benefit to the entire ecological community and the people dependent upon the land (ie-me, as the farmer). I will keep fighting the good fight right here in Maine. Thanks for sharing your story and insight.
We must convince others to do the same. Complex life form on this rock is that a pivotal point. We are part of that dynamic. It shall be our finest hour or it shall be our demise.
Sadly, without the bioregional evohabitat needed to sustain biodiversity, individual small plots on a statistically significant basis mean nothing. Not that I am advocating anything other than what you are doing. I’ve been attempting to change the dominant paradigm for half a century now. I am obviously failing and I am wide open to ideas, actions and incantations to assist the process. Feel free!!
you seem extremely triggered by facts which refute your narrative by proving that plant based agriculture is far less destructive and far more sustainable than even the so called best animal based ag. as i suggested, if you have actual evidence which disputes the many peer reviewed papers on this subject you should publish your findings instead of attempting to argue your points in a comment section.
of course, environmental impact is only one factor and vegan diets also address the huge negative human health impact of consuming flesh, dairy of eggs, along with the unthinkable violence involved in exploiting and killing 10 billion sentient beings every single year in the US alone, all in the name of profit & a momentary taste sensation. i am reminded of the following quote which summarizes these issues very well:
“Aren’t humans amazing? They kill wildlife – birds, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice and foxes by the million in order to protect their domestic animals and their feed. Then they kill domestic animals by the billion and eat them. This in turn kills people by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative – and fatal – health conditions like heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, and cancer. So then humans spend billions of dollars torturing and killing millions more animals to look for cures for these diseases. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, few people recognize the absurdity of humans, who kill so easily and violently, and once a year send out cards praying for “Peace on Earth.”~ David Coates
Before I block you I will receive your stupid claims with truth.
Your software needs a serious update. You’re really bad at this agitprop thing.
Peer review means nothing in today’s world. We both know that. Confirming someone else’s nonsensical claims and biases because it is an advantage to do so does it mean jackshit as the credibility.
Plant-based agriculture would have to expand to produce the proteins that humans need for food and unless it’s organic, it’s toxic AF. The product, the method to produce it poisons and kills the soil, the environment and the people who consume the food.
Best land management is bio regenerative for animals are essential for the ecology of the plant kingdom.
Your claims about consumption of meat protein, eggs and all other nonsensical gibberish is simply such horse manure, I actually have to point out that 400,000 years of evolution is probably something we should consider?
Dairy you are correct about. Cow especially. Goat and sheep’s milk products on the other hand are actually nutritious and can be done in a very environmentally friendly and actually regenerative way.
All of your claims are bullshit, you’re an obvious agitprop tool for fossil fuel entities and you’re really stupid, if you think I’m that stupid.
Whoever is behind the sock puppet bullshit can eat the peanuts out of my shiot.
I certainly am because you are being a disingenuous asshole and presenting the entire conversation completely out of context and distorted. That is nothing position of an honest broker. As I said before, it is not the practice it is the model. You damn well know that and you can go fucking sit on a stick and rotate, I don’t engage with assholes and have no desire to visit Dumbphukistan. Ciao Felicia
your entire arguments are based on the following two logical fallacies:
"The appeal to nature fallacy is a logical fallacy stating that an argument or decision is better because it follows nature's "rules" or "laws". The appeal to nature fallacy is a term that refers to the logic that if something is natural, it must be good and worthy of praise."
"Ad Hominem-(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution."
i am reminded of yet another quote which accurately seems to describe your intense resistance to facts & reality:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."-Upton Sinclair
Call completely and wholly reliant on fossil fuels. It’s not the practice. It’s the model. Take the disingenuous bullshit and go away. Either that, or sit down and be quiet
as opposed to so called "disingenuous bullshit" it is actually peer reviewed research done by Dr. Joseph Poore of Oxford Univ and was published in 2018. if you disagree with the results, perhaps you should publish your own peer reviewed research to dispute the findings.
btw, here are the results of another recent peer reviewed study about the effects of animal ag vs plant based ag:
"A global switch to diets that rely less on meat and more on fruit and vegetables could save up to 8 million lives by 2050, reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two thirds, and lead to healthcare-related savings. It could also avoid climate-related damages of $1.5 trillion (US), Oxford Martin School researchers have found.
The study, published today in the journal, Proceedings of National Academy of Sciences, is the first to estimate both the health and climate change effects of moving towards more plant-based diets for all major world regions.
Lead author Dr Marco Springmann, of the Oxford Martin Program on the Future of Food, said: 'What we eat greatly influences our personal health and the global environment. Imbalanced diets, such as diets low in fruits and vegetables, and high in red and processed meat, are responsible for the greatest health burden globally and in most regions. At the same time the food system is also responsible for more than a quarter of all greenhouse gas emissions, and therefore a major driver of climate change.'
They found that adopting diets in line with global dietary guidelines could avoid 5.1 million deaths per year by 2050. Even greater benefits could come from vegetarian diets (avoiding 7.3 million deaths) and vegan diets (avoiding 8.1 million deaths). Approximately half of the avoided deaths were due to reduction of red meat consumption, with the other half due to a combination of increased fruit and vegetable intake and a reduction in calories, leading to fewer people being overweight or obese.
The study projects that by 2050, food-related greenhouse gas emissions could account for half of the emissions the world can afford if global warming is to be limited to less than 2°C. Adopting global dietary guidelines would cut food-related emissions by 29%, vegetarian diets by 63%, and vegan diets by 70%, says the study.
The researchers also modeled the economic benefits of dietary change and found they could save $700-$1,000 billion (US) per year on healthcare, unpaid informal care and lost working days. The economic value that society places on the reduced risk of dying could even be as high as 9-13% of global GDP, or $20-$30 trillion (US). In addition, the researchers found that the economic benefit of reduced greenhouse gas emissions from dietary changes could be as much as $570 billion (US)."
Whole Foods, like Walmart should be avoided like the plague. This is all about educated consumers. The planet raping corporate paradigm types rely on them.
“The first thing you notice when you go vegan is that everyone is mad, and they tell you you’re mad. You voluntarily enter the moral Twilight Zone. You discover a grotesque inconsistency between the beliefs people express and their behavior. You realize that we’re all highly irrational, and that it’s emotion that rules culture, and culture rules the behavior of individuals. No matter how much harm it causes, nothing we do needs to be justified as long as it’s popular enough.” - Karen Manfrede
I agree. In every area of life, the capacity for compassion - founded on the capacity for empathy - is being damaged and destroyed. "I don't care" - words often signifying inner death. A good person feels when they see or hear of another hurt. A good person also need to explore, discover, including difficult facts, difficult truths - like about factory farming, like about the dangerous injections, like about ever so much. A good person, in other words, chooses to be as alive as possible.
“Dangerous injections” certainly does not fall into the category of the other things you listed. Just so you know, vaccines and orthopedics are the only thing Western medicine is doing right. Couldn’t pass up the opportunity to educate you. I hope you capitalize on it.
I hear what you are saying. I have a sense of where you are coming from. I have masses of evidence to the contrary. However I highly doubt you are open to looking at it.
I welcome credible source cited information.
Not credible evidence. Of course they’re not perfect. Do you know that the first polio vaccine killed 400,000 people but we have almost eradicated it and should see that dynamic is sacrifice for the greater good on their part?
Do you know one of the side effects of the mumps?
Dying of the fucking mumps.
There is no FDA approved vaccine in used in the United States today that does not help more people than it hurts. When forced into the position of a gambler, always play with house money.
Your optimism is through the roof. Every time we gather at different conferences I am encouraged too. The judges can't be morally wrong too many times.
What a shame this is for the Judges...
Their unjust, wrongdoing decision will just make our case stronger.
You don't need to ask yourself "what's in their hearts?" (the animal-industry plaintiffs, the prosecutors, the juries, the judges, the so-called law enforcers).
You don't even need to ask "what's in their heads?".
You only need to ask "what's in their guts?". - Answer: dead animals.
Their gut microbiomes are doing their talking and acting for them. They consider themselves "the public". They "know" the public interest. 😁
Is there any doubt if they were vegan justice would be swift and assured?
Do you think you can impose it nutritional parameters on others is vain, ridiculous and disingenuous. I realize our current toxic from input to product model is killing life on the planet, but that’s not relevant to 400,000 years of omnivorous behavior. Sit down and be quiet
It's not a "nutritional parameter" it's a practical manifestation of sentientism. ( - but it happens to be healthy too.) No need to live in the past...
All life should be honored when it is taken to sustain one’s own life. That spinach has a livin aura as well.
To qualify my statement, the conditions of the poultry production facility these people were protesting should not be allowed legally and they certainly would not be implemented by anyone with ethical life tenants or sense of morality.
We probably agree on some things...
I happen to find that I agree completely with these guys: https://youtu.be/1-9bsMCBFLk .
(But don't read the comments. I'm in there too, and it might piss you off...)
How interesting that you brought up the topic. Carbohydrates especially complex ones are not a healthy part of a proper diet. In Evolutionary terms, they were only consumed in autumn, by handful amounts. Being 100% simple carbohydrates.
Animal fats are essential to the human body. So our green vegetables and a much smaller amount of fruit.
You should be far more concerned about GMO’s and their ancillary accoutrements
I'll close with the following opinion: Nutrition is pseudoscience, but if you want the latest greatest medical/health findings turn to PCRM and their podcast: https://www.pcrm.org/podcast .
I've been vegan for over 30 years now. Works for me...
And I haven’t even addressed the pragmatism of the issue. The average American doesn’t know jack shit about nutrition and healthy eating habits as is. To advocate them switching to a vegan lifestyle is morally bankrupt.
At the end there, it’s not “if” it’s WHEN! It WILL happen. The movement continues to grow, you and your friends have a huge impact on this community. Great changes are yet to come! Thank you guys so much for all you do and let’s continue fighting for these animals!
It would end tomorrow if consumers were informed and educated about the production of their nutritional consumption choices.
How insane this is,how bloody infuriating it is to show kindness and help the suffering but get found guilty of doing wrong !! You reap what you sow , at the right time !
You are absolutely correct about the war on compassion Wayne. There is no greater compassion than the sort that is given to beings who can never repay us, except by living their lives in peace. There is no greater immorality than seeking profit from cruelty, torture and murder. Animal rights activists stand on high moral ground while corrupt politicians, prosecutors, judges and other profiteers are floundering in their own muck and mayhem. We are nonviolent. We are simply unstoppable. Resistance makes us stronger and more determined. Physically separating us solidifies our bonds. Justice within the court systems may be dwindling . But it’s alive and well in our hearts and minds.
It's so frustrating and infuriating to see the way our elected officials (including judges) manipulate the system for corporate interests. Having little faith in the men/political leaders in America, I've taken matters into my own hands. I've created an ecological reserve where methods of regenerative agriculture are used to improve the health and well-being of keystone organisms, thereby providing a benefit to the entire ecological community and the people dependent upon the land (ie-me, as the farmer). I will keep fighting the good fight right here in Maine. Thanks for sharing your story and insight.
I support that mission, ideology and lifestyle!
We must convince others to do the same. Complex life form on this rock is that a pivotal point. We are part of that dynamic. It shall be our finest hour or it shall be our demise.
Sadly, without the bioregional evohabitat needed to sustain biodiversity, individual small plots on a statistically significant basis mean nothing. Not that I am advocating anything other than what you are doing. I’ve been attempting to change the dominant paradigm for half a century now. I am obviously failing and I am wide open to ideas, actions and incantations to assist the process. Feel free!!
"Avoiding meat and dairy products is the single biggest way to reduce
your environmental impact on the planet, according to the scientists
behind the most comprehensive analysis to date of the damage farming
does to the planet.
The new research shows that without meat and dairy consumption, global
farmland use could be reduced by more than 75% – an area equivalent to
the US, China, European Union and Australia combined – and still feed
the world. Loss of wild areas to agriculture is the leading cause of
the current mass extinction of wildlife.
The new analysis shows that while meat and dairy provide just 18% of
calories and 37% of protein, it uses the vast majority – 83% – of
farmland and produces 60% of agriculture’s greenhouse gas emissions.
Other recent research shows 86% of all land mammals are now livestock
or humans. The scientists also found that even the very lowest impact
meat and dairy products still cause much more environmental harm than
the least sustainable vegetable and cereal growing.
The study, published in the journal Science, created a huge dataset
based on almost 40,000 farms in 119 countries and covering 40 food
products that represent 90% of all that is eaten. It assessed the full
impact of these foods, from farm to fork, on land use, climate change
emissions, freshwater use and water pollution (eutrophication) and air
pollution (acidification).
“A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact
on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification,
eutrophication, land use and water use,” said Joseph Poore, at the
University of Oxford, UK, who led the research. “It is far bigger than
cutting down on your flights or buying an electric car,” he said, as
these only cut greenhouse gas emissions.
“Agriculture is a sector that spans all the multitude of environmental
problems,” he said. “Really it is animal products that are responsible
for so much of this. Avoiding consumption of animal products delivers
far better environmental benefits than trying to purchase sustainable
meat and dairy.”
Because the entire model is reliant on fossil fuels. It’s not the practice, it’s the method.
If you cannot engage from the standpoint of an honest broker, you need to go the fuck away.
you seem extremely triggered by facts which refute your narrative by proving that plant based agriculture is far less destructive and far more sustainable than even the so called best animal based ag. as i suggested, if you have actual evidence which disputes the many peer reviewed papers on this subject you should publish your findings instead of attempting to argue your points in a comment section.
of course, environmental impact is only one factor and vegan diets also address the huge negative human health impact of consuming flesh, dairy of eggs, along with the unthinkable violence involved in exploiting and killing 10 billion sentient beings every single year in the US alone, all in the name of profit & a momentary taste sensation. i am reminded of the following quote which summarizes these issues very well:
“Aren’t humans amazing? They kill wildlife – birds, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers, groundhogs, mice and foxes by the million in order to protect their domestic animals and their feed. Then they kill domestic animals by the billion and eat them. This in turn kills people by the million, because eating all those animals leads to degenerative – and fatal – health conditions like heart disease, stroke, kidney disease, and cancer. So then humans spend billions of dollars torturing and killing millions more animals to look for cures for these diseases. Elsewhere, millions of other human beings are being killed by hunger and malnutrition because food they could eat is being used to fatten domestic animals. Meanwhile, few people recognize the absurdity of humans, who kill so easily and violently, and once a year send out cards praying for “Peace on Earth.”~ David Coates
Before I block you I will receive your stupid claims with truth.
Your software needs a serious update. You’re really bad at this agitprop thing.
Peer review means nothing in today’s world. We both know that. Confirming someone else’s nonsensical claims and biases because it is an advantage to do so does it mean jackshit as the credibility.
Plant-based agriculture would have to expand to produce the proteins that humans need for food and unless it’s organic, it’s toxic AF. The product, the method to produce it poisons and kills the soil, the environment and the people who consume the food.
Best land management is bio regenerative for animals are essential for the ecology of the plant kingdom.
Your claims about consumption of meat protein, eggs and all other nonsensical gibberish is simply such horse manure, I actually have to point out that 400,000 years of evolution is probably something we should consider?
Dairy you are correct about. Cow especially. Goat and sheep’s milk products on the other hand are actually nutritious and can be done in a very environmentally friendly and actually regenerative way.
All of your claims are bullshit, you’re an obvious agitprop tool for fossil fuel entities and you’re really stupid, if you think I’m that stupid.
Whoever is behind the sock puppet bullshit can eat the peanuts out of my shiot.
Sincerely,
Signed an informed real person
I certainly am because you are being a disingenuous asshole and presenting the entire conversation completely out of context and distorted. That is nothing position of an honest broker. As I said before, it is not the practice it is the model. You damn well know that and you can go fucking sit on a stick and rotate, I don’t engage with assholes and have no desire to visit Dumbphukistan. Ciao Felicia
your entire arguments are based on the following two logical fallacies:
"The appeal to nature fallacy is a logical fallacy stating that an argument or decision is better because it follows nature's "rules" or "laws". The appeal to nature fallacy is a term that refers to the logic that if something is natural, it must be good and worthy of praise."
"Ad Hominem-(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument. The fallacious attack can also be direct to membership in a group or institution."
i am reminded of yet another quote which accurately seems to describe your intense resistance to facts & reality:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."-Upton Sinclair
Call completely and wholly reliant on fossil fuels. It’s not the practice. It’s the model. Take the disingenuous bullshit and go away. Either that, or sit down and be quiet
as opposed to so called "disingenuous bullshit" it is actually peer reviewed research done by Dr. Joseph Poore of Oxford Univ and was published in 2018. if you disagree with the results, perhaps you should publish your own peer reviewed research to dispute the findings.
btw, here are the results of another recent peer reviewed study about the effects of animal ag vs plant based ag:
"A global switch to diets that rely less on meat and more on fruit and vegetables could save up to 8 million lives by 2050, reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two thirds, and lead to healthcare-related savings. It could also avoid climate-related damages of $1.5 trillion (US), Oxford Martin School researchers have found.
The study, published today in the journal, Proceedings of National Academy of Sciences, is the first to estimate both the health and climate change effects of moving towards more plant-based diets for all major world regions.
Lead author Dr Marco Springmann, of the Oxford Martin Program on the Future of Food, said: 'What we eat greatly influences our personal health and the global environment. Imbalanced diets, such as diets low in fruits and vegetables, and high in red and processed meat, are responsible for the greatest health burden globally and in most regions. At the same time the food system is also responsible for more than a quarter of all greenhouse gas emissions, and therefore a major driver of climate change.'
They found that adopting diets in line with global dietary guidelines could avoid 5.1 million deaths per year by 2050. Even greater benefits could come from vegetarian diets (avoiding 7.3 million deaths) and vegan diets (avoiding 8.1 million deaths). Approximately half of the avoided deaths were due to reduction of red meat consumption, with the other half due to a combination of increased fruit and vegetable intake and a reduction in calories, leading to fewer people being overweight or obese.
The study projects that by 2050, food-related greenhouse gas emissions could account for half of the emissions the world can afford if global warming is to be limited to less than 2°C. Adopting global dietary guidelines would cut food-related emissions by 29%, vegetarian diets by 63%, and vegan diets by 70%, says the study.
The researchers also modeled the economic benefits of dietary change and found they could save $700-$1,000 billion (US) per year on healthcare, unpaid informal care and lost working days. The economic value that society places on the reduced risk of dying could even be as high as 9-13% of global GDP, or $20-$30 trillion (US). In addition, the researchers found that the economic benefit of reduced greenhouse gas emissions from dietary changes could be as much as $570 billion (US)."
Whole Foods, like Walmart should be avoided like the plague. This is all about educated consumers. The planet raping corporate paradigm types rely on them.
Thank you for this thoughtful post and sharing this important information!
Again animals are going to suffer because Zoe can’t rescue anymore animals.
“The first thing you notice when you go vegan is that everyone is mad, and they tell you you’re mad. You voluntarily enter the moral Twilight Zone. You discover a grotesque inconsistency between the beliefs people express and their behavior. You realize that we’re all highly irrational, and that it’s emotion that rules culture, and culture rules the behavior of individuals. No matter how much harm it causes, nothing we do needs to be justified as long as it’s popular enough.” - Karen Manfrede